Is Scientology the reason for Katie to file for divorce from Tom Cruise?

[Bryn]

This is getting interesting. They have a beautiful little girl, Suri. Rumor has it that Katie is afraid that Tom Cruise would take Suri away, put her on Scientology cruise to be trained since she's now 6 years old.

I am really surprised that Katie is doing this. Good for her to be protective of Suri. She wants a sole custody of Suri. I think Cruise will fight dirty?

[Andrea]

(07-03-2012 08:35 PM)Bryn Wrote:  This is getting interesting. They have a beautiful little girl, Suri. Rumor has it that Katie is afraid that Tom Cruise would take Suri away, put her on Scientology cruise to be trained since she's now 6 years old.

I am really surprised that Katie is doing this. Good for her to be protective of Suri. She wants a sole custody of Suri. I think Cruise will fight dirty?

That is what I heard on the "news" last night. I am not comfortable with Scientology at all. I would not want to be involved in it, nor want a child of mine indoctrinated. I have heard that Katie's parents are not comfortable with it either.

When I was in college, the Scientologists were always all over campus handing out these really long personality surveys. Of course, the only way you could get your results was to go to their office. My best friend decided to check it out. Right away they wanted to sign her up for some very expensive classes. She told them she could not afford them. They asked her if she had a checkbook. She told them she did. They told her to write a check for them. She told them the check would be bad. They told her not to worry about it, just write the check. They told her she would figure out a way to keep it from bouncing. (Back in those days, you had a 2-3 day "float" before your check cleared. We occasionally used that float to buy food or gas to get to work. But only if we new we had a paycheck coming that would cover it.) That told me and all our friends all we ever needed to know about Scientology. She had a heck of a time getting out of there.

We also always had invitations to go the Hare Krishna house for dinner. That was pretty tempting when you were really hungry and out of money. One of my friends tried that once. The indoctrination was not too bad, he said, but the food was lousy. Brown rice with nothing on it.

What happened to those days when students were poor?

[Bryn]

(07-04-2012 01:48 AM)Andrea Wrote:  That is what I heard on the "news" last night. I am not comfortable with Scientology at all. I would not want to be involved in it, nor want a child of mine indoctrinated. I have heard that Katie's parents are not comfortable with it either.

When I was in college, the Scientologists were always all over campus handing out these really long personality surveys. Of course, the only way you could get your results was to go to their office. My best friend decided to check it out. Right away they wanted to sign her up for some very expensive classes. She told them she could not afford them. They asked her if she had a checkbook. She told them she did. They told her to write a check for them. She told them the check would be bad. They told her not to worry about it, just write the check. They told her she would figure out a way to keep it from bouncing. (Back in those days, you had a 2-3 day "float" before your check cleared. We occasionally used that float to buy food or gas to get to work. But only if we new we had a paycheck coming that would cover it.) That told me and all our friends all we ever needed to know about Scientology. She had a heck of a time getting out of there.

We also always had invitations to go the Hare Krishna house for dinner. That was pretty tempting when you were really hungry and out of money. One of my friends tried that once. The indoctrination was not too bad, he said, but the food was lousy. Brown rice with nothing on it.

What happened to those days when students were poor?

I still use the "float" by using e-check at Walmart so I could buy cat/dog food, etc. lol I am glad it still exists. Usually 3 days!

I am open to any religion, but when I read about Scientology/their belief, etc. I thought to myself WTF? Really strange. It's like telling you that Easter Bunny is your creator. That Xenu story is wacko! I have a hard time understanding why smart people would get into it. Or are they really dumb? I just found out that one of my fave actresses, Catherine Bell, is one of them.

I think Tom Cruise/people from Scientology underestimated Katie. She's much smarter than they thought. Tom said he was blindsided by Katie. I am rooting for her and Suri. In recent picture of her after filing for a divorce she looked so much happier. I think there's something much more than just Scientology as to why she's leaving him. But I believe it's mostly because of her mother's love for her daughter, Suri.

[Andrea]

(07-04-2012 02:11 AM)Bryn Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 01:48 AM)Andrea Wrote:  That is what I heard on the "news" last night. I am not comfortable with Scientology at all. I would not want to be involved in it, nor want a child of mine indoctrinated. I have heard that Katie's parents are not comfortable with it either.

When I was in college, the Scientologists were always all over campus handing out these really long personality surveys. Of course, the only way you could get your results was to go to their office. My best friend decided to check it out. Right away they wanted to sign her up for some very expensive classes. She told them she could not afford them. They asked her if she had a checkbook. She told them she did. They told her to write a check for them. She told them the check would be bad. They told her not to worry about it, just write the check. They told her she would figure out a way to keep it from bouncing. (Back in those days, you had a 2-3 day "float" before your check cleared. We occasionally used that float to buy food or gas to get to work. But only if we new we had a paycheck coming that would cover it.) That told me and all our friends all we ever needed to know about Scientology. She had a heck of a time getting out of there.

We also always had invitations to go the Hare Krishna house for dinner. That was pretty tempting when you were really hungry and out of money. One of my friends tried that once. The indoctrination was not too bad, he said, but the food was lousy. Brown rice with nothing on it.

What happened to those days when students were poor?

I still use the "float" by using e-check at Walmart so I could buy cat/dog food, etc. lol I am glad it still exists. Usually 3 days!

I did not know this existed. I will remember this.

Quote:I am open to any religion, but when I read about Scientology/their belief, etc. I thought to myself WTF? Really strange. It's like telling you that Easter Bunny is your creator. That Xenu story is wacko! I have a hard time understanding why smart people would get into it. Or are they really dumb? I just found out that one of my fave actresses, Catherine Bell, is one of them.

I haven't really read their beliefs, but only some information about where the beliefs come from. A science fiction novel just doesn't seem right to me. I am not a believer in organized religion because it has been used to oppress people for so many years. It seems that Scientology oppresses people by it's extreme indoctrination. They also convince people that they can only win. Everything will go right for them if they stay within the organization. But that is not real life. Look at John Travolta. His son died and his marriage is falling apart. Will he leave Scientology, or will they kick him out?

Quote:I think Tom Cruise/people from Scientology underestimated Katie. She's much smarter than they thought. Tom said he was blindsided by Katie. I am rooting for her and Suri. In recent picture of her after filing for a divorce she looked so much happier. I think there's something much more than just Scientology as to why she's leaving him. But I believe it's mostly because of her mother's love for her daughter, Suri.

I think you are right here. One factor is probably the age difference. When they got married she was 26 or 27. He was her childhood idol, over 20 years older than her. He swept her off her feet. Now she is 33 and a mother. I am sure she is much more mature and more independent than when they met. She is no longer willing to just follow his direction.

There is something that has seemed strange to me. Tom Cruise had no children when he was married to Mimi Rogers, but they were both young and busy so it seemed reasonable. Then he married Nicole Kidman and they adopted two kids. Adopting kids is great. There are a lot of kids that need homes. But, they never had kids of their own. Similar to John Travolta, Tom Cruise was followed by rumors he was gay. I thought maybe that was why he and Nicole never had kids, or that one of them couldn't. But then they divorced. She married that country singer. Keith Urban? Anyway, they had a baby. He married Katie Holmes and they had Suri. So apparently they could both conceive a child. So who knows what the deal was with his marriage to Nicole Kidman, but it just seems odd to me. Whatever it is, I think it is better for kids to be in reasonable sized families, unlike the huge Brad Pitt - Angelina Jolie group.

ETA: Here's an interesting article about the difficulty in leaving Scientology, with several interesting links on the page:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...-easy.html

[ima_sinnic]

Let's face it: Tom Cruise is kinda weird and even creepy imo; what I read suggested Katie was sick of his control-freakishness, in addition to the scientology. She also has a 5-year "marriage contract" stipulating that if she lasts 5 years, she can end the marriage with bennies -- Tom and Nicole Kidman had a similar contract, but hers was for 10 years, which is when she also split.

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Andrea, watch out for playing the float nowadays.
Even back in 2007, I made a brief trip to Maine from Florida, where I was living at the time, to find a place to rent for a while before moving here permanently.
After finding a place, I wrote a check to my new landlord for a month's rent + security, figuring I'd be back in Maine to cover it in two days by making a transfer from my savings -- was shocked to find it had gone back to my bank almost instantly and I had a bounced check notice waiting for me (it really annoyed me that the bank didn't do an automatic transfer to cover it, but I guess I hadn't opted in to that service at that point). I had to call the landlord to explain what happened, embarrassingly, but he was okay with it since I had covered it.

So unless you know for a fact that there's a float in a particular transaction you do repeatedly, I wouldn't assume anything. Since everything's computerized, it's safer to assume there is no float. Bryn, be careful, because the float situation with WalMart could change at some point. The only "floats" I do now are checks I mail for, say, magazine subscriptions or to pay a doctor bill.

[Andrea]

(07-04-2012 04:21 AM)ima_sinnic Wrote:  Let's face it: Tom Cruise is kinda weird and even creepy imo; what I read suggested Katie was sick of his control-freakishness, in addition to the scientology. She also has a 5-year "marriage contract" stipulating that if she lasts 5 years, she can end the marriage with bennies -- Tom and Nicole Kidman had a similar contract, but hers was for 10 years, which is when she also split.

I agree that he has become completely creepy. That phony couch jump was pretty ridiculous, but what really turned me completely off him was the interview with Matt Lauer where he was slamming psychiatry, as though he has any credentials. Nothing I have read says that there was a greater payoff at 5 years. Most just say she gets $3M a year. One item I read at the Daily Beast said that if she had lasted to 11 years, she would have gotten half of his $250M, or whatever he would have had by that date. I think the impetus at this time was to get Suri away from the Scientology schools and interrogations that start at age 6. Since he is out of the country, she was able to move Suri to a new residence without his interference. I miss the Tom Cruise of Risky Business.
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Quote:Andrea, watch out for playing the float nowadays.
Even back in 2007, I made a brief trip to Maine from Florida, where I was living at the time, to find a place to rent for a while before moving here permanently.
After finding a place, I wrote a check to my new landlord for a month's rent + security, figuring I'd be back in Maine to cover it in two days by making a transfer from my savings -- was shocked to find it had gone back to my bank almost instantly and I had a bounced check notice waiting for me (it really annoyed me that the bank didn't do an automatic transfer to cover it, but I guess I hadn't opted in to that service at that point). I had to call the landlord to explain what happened, embarrassingly, but he was okay with it since I had covered it.

So unless you know for a fact that there's a float in a particular transaction you do repeatedly, I wouldn't assume anything. Since everything's computerized, it's safer to assume there is no float. Bryn, be careful, because the float situation with WalMart could change at some point. The only "floats" I do now are checks I mail for, say, magazine subscriptions or to pay a doctor bill.

I never expect any float from anything any more. My landlord cashes my rent check the same day! I don't know what his hurry is. But, in case of desperation, I would choose Walmart and hope it works, rather than Kroger, knowing it won't. But you're right, people have to be really careful. It galls me how banks will put holds on all kinds of deposits - even checks drawn against an account at the same bank, but any check a customer rights is cleared immediately upon deposit. I have been using a credit union for many years now. They clear almost everything I deposit immediately.

[Saracat]

I always thought it was interesting that Mimi Rogers said Tom Cruise wouldn't have sex with her because the "Church" told him he had to "preserve" himself or something.And he said he was going to be a monk! This was shortly before he hooked up with Kidman.Oddly Cruise told everyone that Mimi. who was the "older woman" couldn't have kids and she got pregnant immediately after leaving him. Kidman had a miscarriage just prior to being notified their marriage was over. She was "blindsided" by Tom with divorce papers as she was recovering from the miscarriage. I always wondered if the baby wasn't Tom's.Or maybe the "Church" ordered him to dump her because they felt, as turned out to be the case with Katie, she might not be able to be controlled if she had her own natural children. As it is she left the adopted ones behind and they were not able to visit her.She has publicly stated her bitterness about that.the kids don't even call her "Mom" yet they insist their relationship with Nicole if normal and cordial. Hmm. The stories don't match. Tom and Scientology are both creepy.

[Bryn]

I just learned that Katie snapped. It came from one of comments left by someone at TMZ, but gave wrong link except that it came from New York Post. Just can't find it yet so here's what I copied the comment. This comment makes sense to me as to why Katie did what she did.

Quote:"The last straw came when Holmes, 33, and Suri visited Cruise, 50, in Iceland, where he was filming his latest big-budget action flick, “Oblivion.”

“Katie tried to discipline Suri over something. But one of Tom’s Scientology handlers stepped in and said they couldn’t let her do that, and they would have to call Tom,” a source told Us magazine.
Katie “snapped” over the insulting interference.

But signs of trouble had been building for months.

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When Holmes traveled in early June to China on a work trip for her fashion label, Holmes and Yang, she left Suri with Cruise — who jumped at the chance to begin the notorious Scientology indoctrination.

“Tom was beginning to audit Suri behind [Holmes’] back,” a source told Us about the church’s bizarre ritual in which subjects are grilled about their feelings to “cure” their emotional woes.
“You get asked really intense things [during auditing] — and Suri is only 6! Katie saw a difference in Suri,” the source added.

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“Katie had been watching how these same handlers turned Connor and Isabella from their mom. She saw that future for her,” the source said.

As Cruise’s mind control escalated, Holmes became more determined to keep Suri away from his Scientology crew.

warning: link doesn't work. I had to cut out more info. due to copyright law.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/secret_

[Andrea]

(07-13-2012 09:28 PM)Bryn Wrote:  I just learned that Katie snapped. It came from one of comments left by someone at TMZ, but gave wrong link except that it came from New York Post. Just can't find it yet so here's what I copied the comment. This comment makes sense to me as to why Katie did what she did.

Quote:"The last straw came when Holmes, 33, and Suri visited Cruise, 50, in Iceland, where he was filming his latest big-budget action flick, “Oblivion.”

“Katie tried to discipline Suri over something. But one of Tom’s Scientology handlers stepped in and said they couldn’t let her do that, and they would have to call Tom,” a source told Us magazine.
Katie “snapped” over the insulting interference.

But signs of trouble had been building for months.

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When Holmes traveled in early June to China on a work trip for her fashion label, Holmes and Yang, she left Suri with Cruise — who jumped at the chance to begin the notorious Scientology indoctrination.

“Tom was beginning to audit Suri behind [Holmes’] back,” a source told Us about the church’s bizarre ritual in which subjects are grilled about their feelings to “cure” their emotional woes.
“You get asked really intense things [during auditing] — and Suri is only 6! Katie saw a difference in Suri,” the source added.

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“Katie had been watching how these same handlers turned Connor and Isabella from their mom. She saw that future for her,” the source said.

As Cruise’s mind control escalated, Holmes became more determined to keep Suri away from his Scientology crew.

warning: link doesn't work. I had to cut out more info. due to copyright law.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/secret_

I found it:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/se...t=National